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finderPosted at 2016-02-04 14:26:59(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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Hello all.
I'm looking for any recordings of 2004 Prague show.
Does anyone have recordings of this show?
This show has a rare setlist(opened with Life On Mars?) and some accidents were happened.
And David ended stage due to his bad physical condition.
I know IEM and Aud recordings exist.
If these are shared, it would be great.

Thanks.

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JanErikPosted at 2016-02-04 17:50:01(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)
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Here is Life on Mars recorded by Karl Heinz. As far as I have heard, he is not willing to share his recording.

http://www.bowiestation.com/temp/David%20Bowie%20-%20Life%20On%20Mars%20(Prague%202004).mp3

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MBFPosted at 2016-02-04 18:28:49(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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JanErik wrote:

Here is Life on Mars recorded by Karl Heinz. As far as I have heard, he is not willing to share his recording.http://www.bowiestation.com/temp/David Bowie - Life On Mars (Prague 2004).mp3

And this helps people how I wonder....? Hoarders. May they choke on their hoarded material.

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zannalee1967Posted at 2016-02-05 06:10:36(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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Thanks Jan Erik.

The recording sounds pretty good. Although just another Reality show, it quite an historical show for rather painful reasons.
For that matter I'd like to listen to it despite the fact that it would be quite morbide.

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steve23yhPosted at 2016-02-05 13:05:12(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)
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MBF wrote:

JanErik wrote:

Here is Life on Mars recorded by Karl Heinz. As far as I have heard, he is not willing to share his recording.http://www.bowiestation.com/temp/David Bowie - Life On Mars (Prague 2004).mp3

And this helps people how I wonder....? Hoarders. May they choke on their hoarded material.

I keep going back to Graham Mc (the nicmac source in Hunky Geordie), while we were chatting on the 'phone, as saying that he'd realised that if/when he dies, his family will almost certainly just bundle up all of his collection of concert recordings, and just take them to the tip.

This whole collecting thing that we're into is limited to, in world terms, a pretty narrow set of people, and it's getting narrower by the day.  All the hermits hiding their stash in a tower are holding on to material that - contrary to what they believe - is losing value and relevance daily.

I just hope that more of them have the sense to share, before there's nobody left to care...


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MBFPosted at 2016-02-05 14:31:17(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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steve23yh wrote:

All the hermits hiding their stash in a tower are holding on to material that - contrary to what they believe - is losing value and relevance daily.I just hope that more of them have the sense to share, before there's nobody left to care...

Hear hear! Far more eloquently stated than my rant...!  :-)

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steve23yhPosted at 2016-02-05 16:17:38(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)
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From memory, Karl Heinz the taper (who clearly has enormous expertise and technical ability on the IEM recordings) put up a sample of a Bruce Springsteen recording and was bragging about a U2 recording.

He may have the Prague recording, but he doesn't have taste...


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MBFPosted at 2016-02-05 21:13:44(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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Funnily enough, wishupon1 put up a karlheinz recording earlier today from Linz from the 29/08/1990.

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NineinchnailPosted at 2016-02-05 23:09:03(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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MBF wrote:

Funnily enough, wishupon1 put up a karlheinz recording earlier today from Linz from the 29/08/1990.

First unwritten rule: never anger a taper and / or upload a show without his / her permission, but at least I got credited in the upload, which seems to be rare.
By the way I am really enjoying your rants, what's next in your portfolio? -since your behavior in general may seemingly be the result of lacking good upbringing or you may have experienced a bad childhood in addition, then I feel really sorry for you.

I have thrown 100+ quality shows out in the wild but now I am reluctant to proceed and people like in special you prove me I am doing right now. How many shows did you provide for the public?

To be correct I am considering myself as an audio archivist and share my shows only with a limited class of personal known fellow tapers and unfortunately for yourself you don’t belong to them, quite simple to understand.

Quite interesting that I sometimes have the luck to record some historic moments in music like this, Amy's last stand or the iconic U2 shows and soundcheck after the Paris terrorist attacks which friends of mine directly affected, but anyway enjoy the sample because there will be nothing more left for you.

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steve23yhPosted at 2016-02-05 23:30:33(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)
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A genuine "welcome aboard" Karlheinz.  Stick around for some Bowie.

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JanErikPosted at 2016-02-05 23:40:07(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)
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Welcome to the forum Nineinchnail (Karl Heinz).

Most of the users here at Bowie Station are here to share Bowies music with each other.
When you uploaded the Linz 90 to the Internet (MWP?) you practically shared it with everyone to enjoy. MWP is history, and we try to continue in the spirit of MWP here at Bowie Station.
One of the goals is to get all torrents that were shared on MWP back online for Bowie fans to enjoy.

Most of the time people like to provide as much information as they know about a recording, but many times the information file that was provided along with the initial upload lacks the information about who taped or uploaded the concert. In the case of uploads to MWP, the site is now gone, and there is no possibility to find out who taped and posted a concert if it is not included with the info file.

If there are torrents online which you taped, please tell me and I will add the credit. That also goes out for all other torrents if anyone knows who taped the recordings.

It is sad that you have decided not to share your recording of Prague 2004, but I fully respect your decision. After all it is your recording and you can do what you want with it.

Unfortunately there are still a lot of recordings that are restricted to share, and I believe most of the users here have something that they have received in a trade that they promised not to share with others.

I hope that you some day change your mind and let all Bowie fans be able to listen to this historic recording.

Regards,
Jan Erik

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paperdragonPosted at 2016-02-06 00:00:08(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)
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I have thrown 100+ quality shows out in the wild but now I am reluctant to proceed and people like in special you prove me I am doing right now. How many shows did you provide for the public?

Hmm. I'm not in a position to tape shows these days, but to answer your question, those of us who helped to build this site are responsible for providing well over 1200 shows to the public in a matter of months. Meet your standards?


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toneblokePosted at 2016-02-06 00:40:32(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)
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Nineinchnail wrote:

First unwritten rule: never anger a taper and / or upload a show without his / her permission, but at least I got credited in the upload, which seems to be rare.By the way I am really enjoying your rants, what's next in your portfolio? -since your behavior in general may seemingly be the result of lacking good upbringing or you may have experienced a bad childhood in addition, then I feel really sorry for you. I have thrown 100+ quality shows out in the wild but now I am reluctant to proceed and people like in special you prove me I am doing right now. How many shows did you provide for the public?To be correct I am considering myself as an audio archivist and share my shows only with a limited class of personal known fellow tapers and unfortunately for yourself you don’t belong to them, quite simple to understand.Quite interesting that I sometimes have the luck to record some historic moments in music like this, Amy's last stand or the iconic U2 shows and soundcheck after the Paris terrorist attacks which friends of mine directly affected, but anyway enjoy the sample because there will be nothing more left for you.

Hmmmm. Unlike most people here I will call a spade a spade. I don't know you from a bar of soap but from what I have just read I wouldn't want to. As a long time taper I don't see the point of hanging on to something I captured just because "it's mine" and find hoarding horrible. The fact that you want to post that sentiment I find appalling and would strongly recommend that you not say anything like that again here.
As for the inflammatory comment you made - 1: have you read the site rules & 2: after previous issues here I will state publicly - don't do it again otherwise there will be repercussions.
You are a guest here and acting accordingly would be appreciated.

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downunder2Posted at 2016-02-06 01:55:33(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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tonebloke wrote:

As a long time taper I don't see the point of hanging on to something I captured just because "it's mine" and find hoarding horrible.

Have to say this resonates a lot with me.

I started tape trading back in the dark days and came across many traders with the rare trade only clauses. I persevered with my trading over the years and tried to be as open and honest with all my dealings, even when I came across the occasional dickhead. But I also met a lot of fantastic people who enriched the whole experience.

Like tonebloke I also live in Australia and found it difficult sometimes in getting people to trade as well as the lag in mail (pre internet days).

I ended up with a reasonably good list, mainly shows that I was interested in rather than just amassing the largest collection.

And these I shared with anyone, even those with nothing to trade, I often sent them tapes gratis to help start them off, big believer in karma in this world.

Then when CDR's started to gain traction I did what most people started doing and converting my tapes to digital format, still in the tape trading mind set and sending them off to all and sundry.

When I started recording myself it involved a fair bit of trial and error, let alone the cost, travelling to anywhere from Australia is always difficult but I did manage to get to the UK twice and Norway apart from the shows I recorded here.

These again I just gave out freely, no BS about recouping costs of travel or equipment just share with anyone who wanted the shows.

I hung around the many iterations of sites that Chris ran, may he rest i peace, one of the reasons that I really liked and respected him was his attitude to free sharing of material and the way he created sites to do this, with great, like minded people (plus he was just a good bloke).

I suppose in a long winded way all I can say is that anything you tape is yours to do what ever you want but we all started out from having nothing to contribute but along the way it was fun and honestly when I go it ends up just being a big pile of shit someone will have to throw away.

steve
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JanErikPosted at 2016-02-06 02:04:57(430 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)
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downunder2 wrote:

When I started recording myself it involved a fair bit of trial and error, let alone the cost, travelling to anywhere from Australia is always difficult but I did manage to get to the UK twice and Norway apart from the shows I recorded here.

Hi Steve,

Thanks a lot for the sharing you did on MWP. If you find any of your recordings here, that is not credited to you, please inform me. Which Norwegian show did you tape? Is it one on the tracker?

Please feel free to upload your recordings also here on Bowie Station.

Jan Erik

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willb3dPosted at 2016-02-06 02:33:07(429 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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Perhaps the mentality of keeping recordings private rather than sharing is a pre-internet pattern that some haven't broken out of? Back when bootleg CDs cost $30 a pop from sketchy record stores, I can see why bartering would make sense. All of that went poof a decade ago. Sad to see some still holding on to it, but I suspect they'll come around once they realize that no one is going to barter any more, not even if you had a tape of Bowie naked singing in the shower.  

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willb3dPosted at 2016-02-06 02:46:47(429 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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I'd always had the impression that the original reason why some tapers asked others not to share their recording was because they worked at a venue or similarly had access to feeds through their work in the industry - work which would be jeopardized if their recording became widely known.

That's an entirely legitimate reason. I can't think of another.

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nogginPosted at 2016-02-06 04:22:11(429 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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Damn, I should of kept my Joy Division masters from circulation & not traded them.

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NineinchnailPosted at 2016-02-06 05:02:41(429 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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tonebloke wrote:

Hmmmm. Unlike most people here I will call a spade a spade. I don't know you from a bar of soap but from what I have just read I wouldn't want to. As a long time taper I don't see the point of hanging on to something I captured just because "it's mine" and find hoarding horrible. The fact that you want to post that sentiment I find appalling and would strongly recommend that you not say anything like that again here.As for the inflammatory comment you made - 1: have you read the site rules & 2: after previous issues here I will state publicly - don't do it again otherwise there will be repercussions.You are a guest here and acting accordingly would be appreciated.

First I really appreciate the good work of you people here and my deep thanks to Jan Erik for his objective point of view.

Well, some of you mods can call me what you whatever you like, even you made a nice proposal as I far as I understood -not very helpful in a discussion isn't it? Since two friends of mine got nearly killed in the Bataclan bloodshed I am now really enjoing such jokes. But you alluded correctly that I am a guest here so I appreciate everything.

Granted that we have two different positions, but on the other hand, despite your thoughts which you kindly provided to me, I have no obligations to anyone and I shared some recordings of mine (though I didn't uploaded some, but traded them) like Linz for e.g. and hope people will enjoy them.

Anyway, I will honour Lemmy of Motorhead and the new lineup of Nightwish so you are invited to download two shows which will be available within the next week on "dime".

To answer your question "paperdragon": I think since the Prague IEM (no clue why you find this a  enjoyable? recording) wouldn't really meet my today's standards I always delete to a large extent my downloads

willb3d: this is partly correct as I really enjoyed that some of my recordings getting released as proper bootlegs by starving companies- for one I could even choose between vinyl and cd. I am pretty sure the Montreux show will be also released by Eat the Peach (the successor of the deceased Godfather label)like they did it with Robin's recording.
For mixer recordings you would be run into problem if you share them for the public, in addition almost every band hate recording / sharing IEM even they are taperfriendly.

Finally I conclude I am getting bored of these hoarder discussions as they always lead into discussions / arguments (I / we even had with a seller of bootlegs) since I do not have to justify myself and prefer to do what I consider right.
I tape 30-50 shows per year in various formats so it won't be the end of the world for myself if i don't get a show even it's desired at the very moment.

Have a nice weekend!

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MBFPosted at 2016-02-06 11:49:37(429 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / David Bowie recording of 23-June 2004 Prague show)


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Interesting discussion, thanks for the your point of view Karlhinz. I find it good to get the other side as it helps me understand the perspective other people are coming from so I apologise if I caused you any offence. I can see why it would.

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to put your perspective forward. I also happen to violently agree with your point that no-one has to justify themselves and are free to do what they consider to do the right thing in these cases.

So, whilst I personally don't agree with not sharing recordings, all recordings made by individuals are theirs do with what they wish. It is not for me or anyone else to try and dictate what should be done by them. If they wish to share, great, if not, so be it whatever I may feel about it.

As for my behaviour, neither can be used as an excuse I regret.

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